Margus Voll

Hi. I did grading for short film called "Early Spring" It plays around youngsters fighting their boredom and insecurity and some maybe killing one of them. Here i have some screenshots of it for you to see. I left the suspense part out of the stills as i do not give away all the things in film as it is still in festivals. Director's: Rain Tolk, Gustaf Boman Bränngård DOP: Madis Reimund Colorist: Margus Voll, C.S.I. It was shot on Arri Amira with vintage EKRAN Lenses. All was graded in Resolve V14 Beta 4 with ACEScc colorspace. Delivery in 2k Scope DCP. For me the most interesting bit was how director approached colors: "Just take the story and make it what you feel the story is to you" Later we just did some very microscoping adjustments of few shots and all was done.

That is very nice. Hi quality on set and no whining about hand held is heavy.

Matte is grayscale so in some cases bypass should work good.

I wonder if any camera makers would pick that up and color platforms.

Welcome to the forum Peter! I really missed that function Abby mentions on my last job i did with V14 B4

Also what i missed to describe is that cameras with wide gamut sensors give you more colors to work with. I mean here Arri, RED, and Ursa Mini cameras mainly and not cheap Canon and Sony models.

This project only in resolve and REC Prores to client in the end. Had another job with heavy wfx where more EXR gor hurt in the process.

I would say print like feel is another thing to keep in mind not just colorspace. How whites do not clip ever but go white as over exposed film for example. I use ACES in commercials and i really like it there. See here:

Hi and welcome to the forum. Only thing that i would think of and test out is how well those Sony cameras transform to ACES in Resolve. Working with rec scans i see no issue as you can manually say in media pool with ACES transform that they are REC and should work fine. I just had VFX job where all things did come back as rec and it worked good like this in ACEScc timeline. If you test all aspects before i would say you will not have problems. If you just jump in it might kick back as some have had it. I started my first "testing" with feature and it went well but other have crashed and burned with 30 sec spots. Main thing is to understand ACES concept in detail to be more safe. As of ODT that should be the case as ACES is universal colourspace in a way and ODT should make it appropriate to that display device you have there after it either P3 device or REC device. So by my understanding it should work like this. Does this give you any help?

You just leave REC709 display transform on and render rec with burn in so to say?

Hi. Have not posted long time here but now i feel to need to spread some words on my digital desktop. I wonder if anyone has lately some experience on subject? I'm doing one job now where 90% is VFX in one way or another and now i do all the versioning manually. Sure we could set up fusion connect to all of this but we have not done this yet. Probably will test with next job. As all VFX come from post house using mainly Nuke then it would be reasonable to have a go on Generations but as there is not much information about it at the moment floating it got me wondering if it would help me at all? Any ideas or experiences would be helpful. Maybe i'm also barking under wrong tree and should go with some other grading platform that would connect better to Nuke or Nuke Studio? Ideally i would like at tool that would plug in to Nuke somehow or Fusion in that matter but non of this seems to exist now or possibly i'm missing it somehow. There has been a link for video that describes this clever way of getting Nuke to render directly to Resolve timeline as Fusion connect asset but i can ot find that video now. The basic concept was that nuke could render to pre set folder structure that had version number in file or folder name and in Resolve those would pop up as new asses on premade place. So in that way it is really doable it seems. One thing that comes to mind is that way would not update external matte and would still need some manual hand holding but all other aspects would be covered like versioning from shot to shot. Sure BM has long way to go on that matter i would say. I'm not really keen to go with Nuke Studio for now. I i'm really hoping that i could one day grade on the VFX assets directly somehow in one way or the other. Now it is done either layering or external mattes which also works but not that super fine as i would like it to be. I have done both commercials and features that are really vfx heavy and in a way it is a mess every time if you do it manually. Sure it is not that super bad but annoying still. My vfx house was nice in that sense that all the naming and lengths and color science were spot on and clean. Then again i come to another matter. RED settings in nuke is another layer of things you have to manage if you do not render out plates yourself. We will see if aces will make that part better for us next time. All the ideas pointers and discussions are very welcome here on the topic despite the origin doing it in Resolve.

What version of Resolve and ACES?

It now really depends on your current gonfig a lot. If you have good CUDA gpu then full cuda no open CL at all. Overall system config affects it not just some small aspects.

It probably depends then how nicely it is done on set also. I bet material from Deakins is super uniform to begin with ?

It really depends on so many variables as said before. Average i have done is in 2 weeks (10-14 days) More complex ones on 4 weeks with super heavy VFX and complex pipeline. One i did in 7 days got ASC award. DOP was very very good and came in to grading with clear vision and well prepped. So it depends a lot. Also keep in mind if you have to just color or do conform and delivery rendering and so on plus TV and VOD variations in grading.

I'm not sure about GTX side at the moment. Would see what others say around net. My titans are from Nvidia didrectly. Main issue i see is when you get 8k material Xeon bus speeds and ram speeds plus cpu choking do not help that much. Sure sellers push Xeons still as you probably need two cpu's which are 4k usd a pop and margin on that is much better compared to 2k usd on top end i7.

Thanks.

Here is a video that also tests this idea i'm talking about a bit. You can see that on some loads Xeon will choke and loose speed thus getting slower. So if we assume your app supports GPU and even multi GPU and as any other app do not scale that well on slower many cores those grandmother computers tend to be very good in speed and have much better ROI. This was also my consideration when i went i7 route to have more speed out of lesser investment and i based my comments on that. Essentially i would gain better 8k playback going with 4x Titan X P (the latest ones) swapping out my current 2x Titan X pascal. Os on M.2 (2000 MB/sec read write) and faster RAM seem to have more effect on your overall speed with fast multi GPU's compared to slower Xeon without fast ram and OS drive .

Sure but the efficiency. I can play back 8k red on 8k timeline at 20 fps with only 10 core i7. Many of my clients on Xeons can not do that. Just to compare. This is one thing why ADK makes and sells so many new machines as they can really show why Xeon chokes. Talk to MixingLight guys abut that as i believe they have been migrating to those grandmother machines now for better efficiency. Also some of new Xeon and Linux Resolve users i have heard are rather disappointed. Of course in the end it will depend on your app and how it is optimised. Most of the apps still do not scale well on 56 threads and would work better on less cores with faster Mhz. Just my subjective experience that i have had for now.

I'm not really sure about that CPU speed and GPU selection. In that sense Xeon is old tech also in a way for post i would say. Anu GTX 1080 ti should beat it hands down now if your app supports it if you think of budget side gpu's

It seems that i'm starting out on similar field now. Guys here are shooting with photo cameras but it is more stop motion type of work.

Some use the DVS tools with Nucoda for that here.

Maybe just as a mouse alternative i would guess?

Thanks. Compared to London i live in forest sort of

Yes that could. I have seen one of those shortly. If calibrated properly it should hold up well. Seems like more economical option to fsi.