Margus Voll November 11, 2016 Share November 11, 2016 I wonder how others feel about Resolve station on Xeon vs i7? I think of going pc for more power but have not decided yet finally. Xeon is better in some tasks but i7 seems more cost effective. As i plan to do other things also on the same machine like Fusion and some 3d plus DCP encoding then core count is also important i7 10c vs dual xeon 24 cores. Link to comment Share on other sites
Alex Prohorushkin November 11, 2016 Share November 11, 2016 (edited) Hi Margus. I think what's important symbiosis. Resolvе need a good GPU support. But to give up a good processor is also not correct. Although in this case the choice is clearly in favor of the GPU. But for DCP encoding true is dual Xeon. Edited November 11, 2016 by Alex Prohorushkin Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 11, 2016 Author Share November 11, 2016 On Xeon 4 gpu's is not a problem in any way and still have raid and DeckLink and such. On i7 i hear it is mostly 2 gpu's and then other things. Link to comment Share on other sites
Alex Prohorushkin November 11, 2016 Share November 11, 2016 Perfect or Good Xeon or i7 Expensive cost or Effective cost Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 11, 2016 Author Share November 11, 2016 Price difference is not that big just 2x Lets say 7 k for i7 setup and 15 k on xeon. My only concern is expandability and working on Linux Resolve. Sure cost is somewhat and issue but to a degree. Then again maybe i'm thinking it over to much. Link to comment Share on other sites
Bruno Mansi November 11, 2016 Share November 11, 2016 Xeon processors really come into their own when you go dual processor. Each xeon has it's own PCIE controller, which means in dual chip setups you'll get access to more PCIE channels and potentially better performance from any PCIE cards you may have installed. Cheaper processor/motherboard combinations often have two or more PCIE slots sharing a channel.This can be an issue if you have RAID cards, graphics cards and host adapter cards (feeding external equipment) which really need their own bus to perform to the maximum potential. Dual xeon motherboards can also have memory interleaving, which helps in memory-intensive applications. Workstations like the HP Z840 exploit these techniques to push data around at the best possible speeds. As with all things, it's all about data throughput, as your system can only run as fast as the weakest link. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 11, 2016 Author Share November 11, 2016 I'm thinking of Supermicro X10DRG-Q with dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W V4. More i read more sense it makes. Link to comment Share on other sites
Nicolas Hanson November 12, 2016 Share November 12, 2016 Why do you favour Supermicro vs the z8xx series? Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 12, 2016 Author Share November 12, 2016 Sopermicro seems to be listed as per spec machine on Linux Resolve guide. Link to comment Share on other sites
Bruno Mansi November 12, 2016 Share November 12, 2016 This is a beast of a motherboard and will probably need the Supermicro chassis to house it. One of the reasons for it's size is that there are five PCIe x16 slots which are two slots away from each other. This means you can happily have multiple large graphics cards installed without them obscuring the adjacent slots. With 2 processors installed you get the full 80 PCIe 3.0 lanes available for your cards, and you can install up to 2 TB memory. There's also support (via an add-in card) for thunderbolt and 10 SATA 6gbps ports. All this adds up to a really powerful (and expensive) system which should tear through the data with something like Resolve. For those of us wanting to experience guaranteed real-time grading performance at UHD/4K, this is the sort of system you need. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 13, 2016 Author Share November 13, 2016 I should donate kidney or something Link to comment Share on other sites
Qiang Tang November 17, 2016 Share November 17, 2016 On 2016/11/11 at 8:10 PM, Margus Voll said: I'm thinking of Supermicro X10DRG-Q with dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W V4. More i read more sense it makes. It's great combination. Also consider 2689V4 or 2679V4. Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll November 18, 2016 Author Share November 18, 2016 More cores and less speed? Link to comment Share on other sites
Alex Prohorushkin November 25, 2016 Share November 25, 2016 Maybe Asus Z10PE-D8 WS or Z10PE-D16 WS ? If you think about I7 or Xeon, it's not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 11, 2016 Author Share December 11, 2016 imo Xseon is like free breathing engine in a car and i7 is like tuned Subaru with turbos and nitro. Just to compare in car world parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites
Serge Kosevtsov December 16, 2016 Share December 16, 2016 Xeon of course, Margus! But definitely OS is a huge deal. But OS is based on a workflow which is closely connected with a pipeline. So, by chain let's start from formats. Formats > Processor. Planning linux? Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 16, 2016 Author Share December 16, 2016 Maybe later date. I'm leaning strongly now towards i7 as it seems xeons will throttle in some occasions to 2,5 ghz only, my friend tested with setup i'm thinking of and it choked like a ton. I have felt similar thing with clients 36 cored xeon (win machine also) Why i started to think of that is 2 gpus will be good for me now and 10c i7 can be very solid performer ad OC 4ghz with stable results and with regular cooling. As i use also other apps and not only resolve then having less but much faster cores makes sense for now. I plan to use 3333 speed ram and M.2 ssd for os and that should give me insane os response on paper. Link to comment Share on other sites
Serge Kosevtsov December 17, 2016 Share December 17, 2016 For Win system is very good config. What bit param of GPU and RAM? Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 17, 2016 Author Share December 17, 2016 12 minutes ago, Serge Kosevtsov said: What bit param of GPU and RAM? What you mean by this ? Link to comment Share on other sites
Serge Kosevtsov December 17, 2016 Share December 17, 2016 (edited) I mean how much bit of GPU. 256 bit? Or 384? Or... Edited December 17, 2016 by Serge Kosevtsov Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 17, 2016 Author Share December 17, 2016 Not sure. I have not liked it so deeply. Titan X is on my plan the new one with pascal. Regular machine can handle at least 2 of them without expander or such. Link to comment Share on other sites
Serge Kosevtsov December 17, 2016 Share December 17, 2016 New Titan X is 384 Bit card. It's great! But if we speak of GTX 1080 there are 2 versions 256 and 384. RAM is off top, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 17, 2016 Author Share December 17, 2016 I have talked some users and their experience is that Titan is better when a lot of NR is done. As i have occasional fashion jobs then it is important to have a lot of control of the images and many times we need to NR a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites
Bruno Mansi December 17, 2016 Share December 17, 2016 9 hours ago, Margus Voll said: I'm leaning strongly now towards i7 as it seems xeons will throttle in some occasions to 2,5 ghz only, my friend tested with setup i'm thinking of and it choked like a ton. I have felt similar thing with clients 36 cored xeon (win machine also) It's important to set your OS power plans to the highest performance available, otherwise a certain amount of throttling will happen. It seems there's also more going on under the hood with managing CPU than I realised. Things like CPU parking and frequency scaling can effect performance, and these (hidden) parameters are often set too conservatively. I recommend you take a look at this web site... https://bitsum.com/parkcontrol/ To quote part of the page... "Create a power plan that auto-optimizes your hardware for max performance far beyond the system default ‘High Performance’ power plan." Link to comment Share on other sites
Margus Voll December 17, 2016 Author Share December 17, 2016 Running win is more like running custom built motorcycle as you constantly have to tune them I will go now with i7 and see how it goes. Thanks for the tip. Link to comment Share on other sites
