Interesting comparison of color results on different platforms

[Margus Voll]

I have had it in my gut feel for a long time but here it is shown as well:

 

https://vimeo.com/album/5295445

 

 

[Emily Haine]

Different mathematics, the operators are way more sophisticated in the Filmlight systems in my opinion.

[Margus Voll]

I had the same feeling for a long time now but did not have anything to prove my feel about it. This one illustrates it well.

I figured it while testing same shot in different systems.

[Alex Winker]

What controls are these in reference to? The Log controls?

[Andy Minuth]

log / film-style controls.

Nice comparison 🤙

[Adéyẹmi]

On 8/21/2018 at 10:40 AM, Margus Voll said:

I had the same feeling for a long time now but did not have anything to prove my feel about it. This one illustrates it well.

I figured it while testing same shot in different systems.

How different are these results to each other in your own opinion, kindly expantiate.

[Margus Voll]

It is more gut feeling for me how little i had to struggle or how fast i had the results.
Sure it is not very specific but this is how it "feels" to me for now.

[Jussi Rovanperä]

IMO those resolve default ranges for the log tools are useless, I set both ranges to the same value, so the curve is softer, and only use shadows and highlights. It beats me why they haven't added an adjustable rolloff.  

Edited September 10, 2018 by Jussi Rovanperä
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[Luca Di Gioacchino]

Jussi, do you set ranges to the same values all the time, regardless of the clip, or on a per shot basis?  Sorry if it sounds like a stupid question.

[Jussi Rovanperä]

Not a stupid question Usually I set it where the mid gray is, and keep the same range settings for the whole scene. If the pivot is set to same region, then the contrast control and the log shadows / highlights work together nicely.

[Luca Di Gioacchino]

Thanks, Jussi.  Just trying to learn, is all. What specific numbers do you set them to, if I can ask?

[Jussi Rovanperä]

A typical normal exposure would be around 0.4-0.45, darker shots would be 0.2 - 0.3.

But there are a few different methods of how to set the exposures and ranges in a grade.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Margus Voll]

That bit seesm so much more clear in Baselight as all communication is done in stops and not in some "random" numbers.

 

 

[Margus Voll]

After hands on demo it actually feels more easy to grade in Baselight. Once you get the UI and do not get scared all the color science bits it seems actually easier to use to get your results faster. I think parts of it comes with frequency separation in cases where you do not need to fiddle with keys and such much. One demo shot was exactly that, a guy on the snow with sunset and it could be adjusted in very few steps without any masking involved. Seems extremely powerful.

[Jussi Rovanperä]

2 hours ago, Margus Voll said:

After hands on demo it actually feels more easy to grade in Baselight. Once you get the UI and do not get scared all the color science bits it seems actually easier to use to get your results faster. I think parts of it comes with frequency separation in cases where you do not need to fiddle with keys and such much. One demo shot was exactly that, a guy on the snow with sunset and it could be adjusted in very few steps without any masking involved. Seems extremely powerful.

You're talking about base grade here? I think a important point is that the tone curve is tweaked in Lab, so even if the curve becames quite flat at some areas, it doesn't affect the color. The same curve in RGB would gray out those flat areas.     

[Margus Voll]

Yes that was exactly what i meant.